Caitlin Johnstone - The Burden Of Proof Is On The Russiagaters
The whole world has gone mads, it's similar the invasion of the trunk snatchers where everyone has been taken over, including to a greater extent than or less my identify unit of measurement as well as friends. Some fifty-fifty larn angry amongst me. Gee!
I saw a Twitter thread betwixt ii journalists the other hateful solar daytime which completely summarized my experience of debating the institution Russian Federation narrative on online forums lately. Aaron Maté, who is inwards my persuasion i of the clearest voices out at that spot on American Russian Federation hysteria, was approached amongst an declaration yesteryear a journalist named Jonathan G Katz. Maté engaged the declaration yesteryear bespeak for prove of the claims Katz was making, solely to travel given the runaround.
I’m going to re-create the back-and-forth into the text hither for anyone who doesn’t experience similar scrolling through a Twitter thread, non because I am interested inwards the footling rehashing of a meaningless Twitter spat, but because it’s such a perfect representative of what I desire to verbalise well-nigh here.
https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/1019803556566720512
Katz: Are y'all aware of what Russian agents did during the 2016 presidential election, yesteryear chance?
Maté: I’m aware of what Mueller has defendant Russian agents of — are nosotros supposed to exactly reflexively believe the assertions of prosecutors & tidings officials now, or is it ok to await for the evidence? (as I did inwards the tweet you’re replying to)
Katz: Why are y'all fifty-fifty bespeak this query if you’re exactly going to discard the reams of prove that conduct hold supplied yesteryear investigators, spies, as well as journalists over the concluding ii years?
Maté: Why are y'all avoiding answering the Q I asked? If I tin terminate guess, it’s movement doing then would hateful acknowledging your position requires taking gov’t claims on faith. Re: “reams of evidence”, I’ve truly written well-nigh it extensively, as well as disagree that it’s convincing.
Katz: Yeah I’m familiar amongst your work. You’re bespeak for soul to summarize ii years of reporting, grand jury indictments, reports from independent analysts, give agencies both American as well as foreign, as well as on as well as on exactly then y'all tin terminate handwave as well as depict to a greater extent than or less vague equivalencies.
Maté: No, truly I’ve asked 2 Qs inwards this thread, both of which conduct hold been avoided: 1) what prove convinces y'all that Russian Federation volition laid upward on the midterms 2) are nosotros supposed to reflexively believe the assertions of prosecutors & intel officials now, or is it ok to await for the evidence?
Katz: See this is what y'all do. You pretend similar all of the prove produced yesteryear journalists, independent analysts as well as unusual governments doesn’t be then y'all tin terminate bill anyone who doesn’t purchase this SF Cohen Putinist bullshit you’re selling of beingness a deep state shill.
Maté: Except I haven’t said anything well-nigh anyone beingness a “deep state shill”, hither or anywhere else. So that’s your embellishment. I’m only bespeak whether nosotros should bring IC/prosecutor claims on faith. Mueller does lay out a case, that’s true, but no prove yet.
Katz: No. You should non bring a prosecutor’s claims on faith. You should read independent analyses, prove gathered yesteryear journalists as well as other agencies, as well as compare all it to what is known on the populace record. And y'all could if y'all wanted to.
Katz continued to evade as well as deflect until eventually exiting the conversation. Meanwhile to a greater extent than or less other journalist, The Intercept‘s Sam Biddle, interjected that the fence was “a big waste matter of” Katz’s fourth dimension as well as called Maté an “inverse louise mensch”, all for maintaining the posture of skepticism as well as bespeak for evidence. Maté invited Katz as well as Biddle to fence their positions on The Real News, to which Biddle replied, “No give cheers you, but I conduct hold to a greater extent than or less advice: If everyone has gotten it wrong, y'all should figure out who truly did it! If non Russia, uncovering out who truly hacked the DNC, uncovering out who truly spearphished American election officials. Even OJ pretended to search for the existent killer.”
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